Greg Bennick: This is great. Three more quick questions if I could?

Fred Weinberg: Sure!

Greg Bennick: I was talking to David McCarthy recently and he mentioned the $4 Stella story.

Fred Weinberg: [laughs] Yeah, I'm known for that.

Greg Bennick: Just so we have it in one place for history's sake: would you be willing to tell the $4 Stellastory?

Fred Weinberg: Sure! So, PCGS started in June of 1986, I believe. And I was one of the original 31 dealersthat David Hall invited to participate and be one of the market makers. That summer, I had a good friend andcustomer who collected proof gold. I submitted for him his matte proof $2.5 Indians. He had a matte proof StGaudens and he had a $4 Stella. He had a gem proof $2.5 Liberty and a gem proof $10 Liberty. And a PanPacific set. I mean, this guy was a major player.

I got a batch of those coins back from PCGS one day and they were put into the safe. I had started mybusiness the year before. This was maybe fall of 1986. The bank that I was the dealing with wanted to see myoperation because we were running a lot of money through the company. We kept on getting bigger and biggerand making bigger deals and more money. So the banker came to the office, and he said, can you show mesome coins? I said,

I opened up the safe, and on a black rectangular tray, like a foot and a half long and 8 deep I probably had sixor seven, just back from PCGS, proof gold coins from my customer. I opened up the safe, with the banker inmy office. I took the tray to go walk into my office to show him these expensive coins, because you know, thatwill impress him. And as I moved, my arm hit something in this vault room which served also as our shippingroom. The tray fell down on one of the shipping counters and I grabbed all the coins, put them back on the tray,walked into the office and I showed him all these coins. and he was fascinated with all of it.

So that was a Friday afternoon. I did my dog and pony show and he left. I come back on Monday, openup the safe a couple hours later, and I go to tell the customer who submitted the coins that his coins cameback and these are the PCGS grades. And as I'm looking at the tray there's all the coins except the Stella. Ithink,

So I had to strip the safe. We stripped the vault room. We checked the trash cans. We checkedeverywhere. The problem was, the trash gets picked up Friday night, and then Saturday morning it getsdelivered to the Simi Valley trash dump, about 25, 30 miles north of my office where I am now.By the time we figured out what had happened - by Monday afternoon - and we called the building main office,and they called the trash people, it turns out that the trash that they had picked up Friday night was indeeddelivered Saturday, but a lot of trash was dumped on Saturday. And there was Saturday, Sunday and Monday.

There was basically three days worth of trash. They said it's impossible. You'll never find the coin. And Iactually talked to somebody that worked there and they said,

So that's basically the story. I lost it. I lost the Stella. At the time, the coin was worth fifty grand. So Iowed my customer fifty grand, which I paid him. And that coin today as a 64 would probably be worth 150grand. But it's probably a 65 or a 66, which means it would probably be worth about 200 or 250 grand today.

Greg Bennick: Wow. This is like the story of the guy who threw out the hard drive a year or two ago with allthe Bitcoin information on it.

Fred Weinberg: Yes! Thank God for him, because until he did that, I was the biggest idiot for throwing away a$50,000 coin. [laughs] I'm happy that he lost $27 trillion dollars or something. That makes me look like I'm sanecompared to him.

Greg Bennick: So you mentioned that learning the minting process was instrumental for the hobby to grow,and probably speaks directly to a huge influx of people today saying, But they don't know the minting process, therefore they have no idea that their coin is or is not an error.With the changes in minting techniques in the last 20 years, what's the best way for people - and for collectors- to find out about new minting processes? I mean, do you think Arnie's ETCM and the magazines that he putout decades ago are still relevant today?

Fred Weinberg: Yes, I think they are. Because if you think about it, the Schuler horizontal presses from 2000,give or take a year, every coin struck before that are struck on the older vertical presses. So Arnie's books orany deep information on the minting process, including, I think Amex did a couple of guidebooks, and I thinkthe ANA did a couple of books for their summer seminars. That information is still valid because they werestriking coins that way for 200 years before we went to these horizontal Schuler presses. So the mintingprocess information is still very accurate. And I encourage people to get books, to read something online, toacquire a concept of how coins are struck. You still need to see real pictures, you still need to see real coins,you still need to go to your local coin shop and show them what you have and see what they have, and learnthe difference between a scratch and a lamination, and a die crack and a scratch, and this and that, and goldplating. You need some hands-on experience. But there's a ton of information that's available today that wasnot available to me, or anybody 40 or 50 years ago. It's all out there.

Greg Bennick: What do you think the best way is for people readers, say, of this interview, to inspire a newgeneration of collectors? I remember asking Arnie this many years ago and him telling me it was an uphillbattle because he felt that young people were more interested in dating than they were interested inhobbies!

Fred Weinberg: What I try to do is this. I always keep a few coins at home or I keep a few coins in mybriefcase when I go to coin shows. I'm constantly giving, whether it's an off-center penny or just some cheapregular coin that's worth a couple of dollars, something to any kid that comes up to me and expresses aninterest in errors.

At the ANA last August for example, kids would come up and would look at my showcase of dramaticerrors. They'd say, They weren't quite sure what they were looking at. But I would ask them, And, If they replied that it was more than a day, Ihad a little box, and I would say, And again, these coins hadlittle value, but the fact that you could give something to an 8 year old, or a 12 or a 15 year old kid forfree....that's how I like to motivate kids. And to tell them an interesting story or of course to answer theirquestions about coins.

Greg Bennick: Is there anything that we missed talking about?

Fred Weinberg: Well, something that just popped in my head. I've been lucky enough to remember when wehad the 1977 ANA in Atlanta, and Arnie pushed - and I did a little bit too, though it was mostly Arnie - wepushed to get the ANA to accept errors as its own exhibit category. That was a first in 1977. So, I'm happy thatI participated in that. And I've seen the evolution of the error hobby over the decades, both with the clubs, theminting process itself, and the value of coins themselves.

I feel very happy and proud that I've been able to participate in this 50 year -- it's actually probably more -- it'sprobably about 62 years total that I've been doing this, since I was 9 or 10. I've just been thrilled that I've beenable to see how the hobby has evolved and changed and expanded so much in the last 60 plus years.

Greg Bennick: Thank you so much for everything Fred. I really appreciate it. The whole hobby does as well.

Fred Weinberg: My pleasure!

Greg Bennick has been a wildly obsessed error collector since age twelve. He is the CONECA StateRepresentative for Washington. He splits his time between Seattle and Portland and this is the first of manyarticles and interviews he has planned to share with Errorscope readers.

For more information about CONECA, see:
https://conecaonline.org/

To read the earlier articles in this series, see:
Fred Weinberg Interview, Part One(https://www.coinbooks.org/v25/esylum_v25n28a15.html)
Fred Weinberg Interview, Part Two(https://www.coinbooks.org/v25/esylum_v25n29a17.html)
Fred Weinberg Interview, Part Three(https://www.coinbooks.org/v25/esylum_v25n30a15.html)